Colors Don´t Exist, Just Lightwaves and That Thing Human Perception. And Things Like Flowers? Different Knowledge Domains?

Mark Rego Monteiro Ah, attempts to shift perception. Yet, colors ARE really there, since light reflects off of objects which don´t absorb the wavelengths we perceive as those colors. With our color-coded-neural sensor configuration and its own biophysic-chemical details. Flowers color-codings that we perceive do have a relation to their visual attraction to insects. Reply Share 5h John McNeely Mark Rego Monteiro Light waves exist which is an electromagnetic wave comprised of energy derived from oscillating magnetic and electric fields. Color however, is a feature of human and animal perception that arguably doesn't exist as a physical entity. It does exist as an element of the human experience. Color is perception of wavelengths of light known as the visible spectrum. Reply Share 3hEdited Mark Rego Monteiro John McNeely Indeed, what´s involved is the contextualization of terminology, and your own personal conduct in interaction. You´re trying to insist with me that scientific terminology can reduce all phenomena to mere scientific terminology. "The yell… See more Reply Share 57mEdited Mark HustonGroup expert Any interpretation of colour from electro-magnetic waves by insects is as much an interpretation in their brain as well. This and the huge gap between atomic particles, and that those particles appear and disappear, and are not particles by more wave fields among others , are the basis for physicists conclusions that there is nothing really 'out there'. Reply Share 3h Mark Rego Monteiro Mark Huston Yeah, no. You´re simply trying to force one limited contextual issue and overemphasize it based on leaving out necessary and sufficient categories for classification. And with certain orientations in personal conduct and interaction. Simply put, discussing color only in terms of physics and human perception, or even insect perception, already enters into psychology, and neurophysiology, which both relate to biology. And guess what? As renowned biologist T Dobzhansky once said, "Nothing in biology makes any sense without evolution." Which gets us to ecosystems and evolutionary relationships. Color isn´t just lightwaves and perception. It´s also about the flower´s pigments and additional color-related features. Biologist´s use the term "color" with reference to the biological context, that isn´t just the lightwave, or the bee, but the flower itself. For starters. Moreover, that relates to the philosophical study of the phenomena to develop the knowledge using symbolic language in contexts whether biology, physics, or many others. The term "color" is used in biology, although biologists will usually also understand the physics context, along with appreciate the analogy to human contexts. The assertion that "colors don´t exist" has a scientific component, but it is a form of scientific reductionism and materialist ideology. In physics, methodological naturalism through instrumentation provides an alternative way to conceptualize colors as lightwaves. However, trying to assert that "colors don´t exist in the objective world" is false. It ignores that the term "color" has a sense-perceived referent to the symbolic language term used by a person. Here´s how. Scientific technical terminology of e-m waves is derived from scientific instrumentation and symbolic language in that philosophical domain of phenomena and knowledge. Those symbolic scientific terms are being interrelated here, as anywhere, with multiple alternative philosophical contexts. Thus, I looked up a biological research paper on bees, and was reminded of how they refer freely to colored flowers. The physical technical lightwave terms are available, but not exclusively necessary or preferred in doing biological studies. Your, and JM´s overemphasizing the signficance of physical scientific views goes with an imbalance in your considerations of a comprehensive assessment of necessary and sufficient views to establish the truth. It isn´t just what physicists think. Physicists don´t study bees, for example, recently voted by a British scientific society as the most important insect on the planet. Why? Because of sustainability concerns, in all likelihood. Thus, biologists have no problem referring to flowers as, say, blue and red, and doing experiments with either the flowers or simulations in labs, because it´s all physically, and empirically, real and out there. Physicists perceptions of there being "nothing out there" are based on their physical scientific domain studies, epistemically of phenomena and epistemologically developing knowledge, based on equally real experiments, say, Thomas Young´s 1801 double slit experiment that demonstrated the wave-like properties of light, or Millikan´s on the photoelectric effect, in classical times still, and more recent ones. Fritjof Capra´s Tao of Physics was his exploration of analogies in quantum physics and Eastern spiritual traditions. All of those are related to spiritual-religious meditative practices in perception, however, in distinction to physicists using instruments and scientific philosophical cognition. Capra went on to study alternative human phenomena and knowledge domains like economics and psychosomatic medicine. Not because "there is nothing really out there", but because old classical materialist words and ideas don´t apply and have to be reworked. Biologists studying bees provide a good first alternative step away from physics that you´re trying to beat to death and force like a square peg into a round hole. To get clear about different contexts, that color reflects not just lightwaves, electro-magnetic as it is, but also the reflecting objects, like flowers with pigments and physical qualities that correspond to genotypes and phenotypes. Those flower configurations also correspond to geo-time scale and historical evolutionary processes and dynamics. It´s not just the light waves. Its the objects, and living things, involved as referents. That corresponds also to the kind of philosophy being conducted, scientific or human-related, and as even the kind of scientific philosophy, physics or biology, say. So, time to hit the books. If you want to make a point, get ready to seek the truth. https://phys.org/.../2021-07-bees-tiny-petals-intense...