Wolves II: A "Transcendent God" Is Clearly Made Up By People- Somebody is Confused About What is "Irrelevant"

Gru D GruD 10 hours ago (edited) @Green Peacemst so 99% of your comment is irrelevant (see post Wolves in Galactic-Sheeps Clothing....) to what i asked and the 1% doesnt answer anything. "god cares because god is god". So deep. I see the question confused you. That was not my intention. My intention was to show the contrast between an all powerful god and its rules which are completely trivial. I mean if i knew the question would upset you so much id ask why god cares about what kind of clothes people wear. Or what they eat. Or why it has such a fragile ego that it cares about competition and even makes it the first commandment. Im sorry i cant take this god seriously. Its clearly made up by people. If theres a god, it isnt this one. Green Peacemst Green Peacemst 13 minutes ago (edited) ​ @GruD Well, dear soul, "confusion" isn´t the only experience in managing the complexity of the Levels of Analysis that are involved, and the levels of literacy and illiteracy that people have. I´m extremely well-rounded, and most people aren´t. Instead, most people just use their preferred and limited understanding to try to interpret and dictate what they think is really happening. "Confusion" for me is a brief feeling as I manage my ample understanding, while for you it seems to be a way to label someone else when you think they don´t meet your expectation for the logical grammar you are trying to impose in your box, at the level of understanding you try to fit things. 99% of my comment was "irrelevant" in your estimation? So, you don´t acknowledge your own confusion, and switch not to "unknown" or "not understood," or "need to try to understand," but reflexively to "irrelevant." You have presuppositions that you are trying to project and push as you interpret things by externalizing, as you indulge in this comment of yours. You jump to "Ah, it´s just people making it up." And so, it is you yourself refusing to or unable to engage with logical coherence about Jesus´ legacy and its corresponding reality, its relation to the transcendent cause at a higher order of reality, and the similarities and differences with other cultures. The brilliance of the Buddha´s spiritual-religious tradition left the Dalai Lama vulnerable to the Chinese Communists, while Zen Buddhism was subordinated to Tojo militarists in Japan. Christianity had developed the powerful tools used by the misguided brutal human bio-psychosocial tendencies of the Chinese communists and Japanese militarists, and they appeared not least of all in WWI, Russian communisim, and Hitler´s nasty fascism. That´s where FDR´s leadership stands out, along with his psychosocial and cultural orientations in reference to no one more essentially than Jesus, in his Christian social ethics reflecting his Social Gospel upbringing. Whatever the issue. The point is that you are trivializing issues and thinking there is an imposed barrier to the transcendent, personal cause of the Universe and Jesus´ legacy of personal relationship with that cause, that improved on Moses and the Jewish prophets. Jesus isn´t the only example, since shamans are a class of individuals who include those who acheived comparable forms of personal relating to the transcendent cause in their more limited context. Jesus, however, appeared in a supershamanic, superprophetic context. Your explanatory assertion, "this god...is clearly made up by people" confuses the locus of experience of God and the evaluation of what people say about God. That´s why the empiricism of evaluating Jesus is a distinct and central point. It also goes beyond noting the more limited contexts of shamanism. Buddhism is a powerful collateral and comparative study. The Buddha identifies ignorance, greed, and hatred as three central problems in human psychosocial conduct, for example. He´s not like Alexander the Great saying, "Build a Statue of Me, Because look at what I say!" Humans DO play a role in achieving their relationship with the transcendent cause. Alexander the Great exaggerated that role spectacularly, as you and others like PA do. Siddarta Gautama who became the Buddha or "the Awakened One," received the new title as his new name, and not because he emphasized his "discovery, Eureka! of the Four Noble Truths, yeah baby!" Instead, the Budha said, "There is a moral law and condition. The Four Noble Truths trace the problem of suffering to mistaking desires and words for reality, as in "Might makes right" or "Money is everything." The solution involves meditation and "right action," including insights like "Right makes might (as in Gandhi´s campaign)" and "Everything important can include money." Buddha identified the origin of his perception as transcendent and a "Source that dominates existence as a law." Buddha himself gained such a sacred status, that many Buddhists superimposed his sacred achievement as a human with the divine, which is a different quality than the "Might Makes Right" of the brutal context of Alexander the Great. The points I made in my last comment are built around that recognition. People in Christian Western Civilization haven´t done good primarily because they have climbed out of the Stone Age by themselves. First, they recognize the "Shoulders of the Giants" they are standing on, as Newton said. In FDR´s case, he said more simply, his "Christian service values." A biography shows that FDR was educated in the Social Gospel, that was inspired in 1877 by Washington Gladden´s inspired resurgent high integrity in Jesus´ legacy. Not just people thinking, "Hey, I´m a good guy, I wanna help people...." like modern secular tries to perpetrate a la Hollywood. That´s ahistorical and lacking in literacy, to put it politely and lightly. And all that got sparked more strongly and earlier in the Anglo-Saxon countries, where the Magna Carta seems to have helped, and George Fox was able to found the Quakers, and the English Civil War strengthened Parliament, and the American colonists founded a constitutional democracy. These are psychosocial and cultural elements people are juggling as people´s egos also perpetrate recurrent hypocrisy, abuse, and neglect of power. If you ignore historical development, psychological development, and sociological development, you are not literate in human behavior. If not, you miss the detail that "do-gooders" in Western Civilization aren´t just appearing randomly. They are overwhelmingly referring to Jesus, who proclaimed a loving, parental God, and himself amazingly as the Son of that loving, parental God. He used language like the "Kingdom of Heaven," and "Peter, put down your sword," not conquest like Alexander the Great. That was Jesus, and his legacy of loving integrity that followed which makes the history of Western Civilization actually filled with the accomplishments of high integrity Christians that have given it legitimacy in establishing the University-based, comparative religious studies-capable, UN human rights and sustainability community.