Science and Consciousness, Quantum Physics and Philosophy plus...

Pe Co Daen 1t SSlphrohnsoroemd · I have come to the conclusion that God is not a person or a spiritual being looking down at us from the heavens. God is the divinity of consciousness which we all, to some degree, possess. Science states that the whole Universe is conscious, which is in agreement with the belief that God is everywhere (omnipresent) and that God has infinite knowledge (omniscient). God is the great 'I Am Who Am' -- the Conscious Presence -- the 'Light' to which we are drawn, in order to become 'who we are to become' in this physical world. Scriptures tell the stories of humanity's growth through history and metaphor. Jesus Christ is the archetype for each of us to 'follow' and to become .... Like Jesus, our physical and spiritual natures have been born of Mother Nature (from the earth) and of 'Father God' (Divine Conscousness). The title of Christ is given to our spiritual nature -- our higher consciousness or 'Inner Christ' -- as a sign that we have been anointed with divinity. Born of the earth, we follow the path of Christ which leads to 'our' cross experiences on the earthly plane. At our death, our physical body returns to the 'tomb' of the earth while our spiritual consciousness (our holy spirit), like Christ, 'rises' to live on in union with the Divine Light of Universal Consciousness -- our 'God'. Mark Rego Monteiro @Peg C De I like your musing. However, when you want to include "science," I´m going to get a little more rigorous to help the true love flow. "Science" is the popular technical name for scientific philosophy. Normally, science doesn´t deal with anything that´s not measurable, and has spawned "scientism," where science fans get "spiritual" expressing aspects of loving emotions about the Universe and being aware of being a part of it. lol. "Consciousness" might be possible as a scientific concept, but first it relates to psychological and related philosophical concerns. Fritjof Capra has tried to express his "Systems Theory" work in terms of "science," including the Santiago school of cognition. In it, biologists look at life down to single-celled organisms as expressing that quality. A biologist, Charles Birch, I think has gotten associated with Process Theology and a view called "pan-psychism." That´s not "science," however, that´s the philosophy of religion and science, also called "metaphysics." God, I would suggest, can be pinpointed fairly precisely with philosophical reasoning, along with personal spiritual experience. WL Craig has made a good discussion of Aristotle´s First Cause logic, that Thomas of Aquinas and others have developed. Craig took it from a Muslim scholar, and calls it the Kalam Cosmological Argument. God is a Higher Order Being, logically necessary as the Cause of the Universe. Jesus´ life, mission, and message help ground our relationship to God in a structured way that helps us access other masters like Buddha, Anthony of the Desert, Teresa of Avila, Mary Baker Eddy, and so on. With these insights, we can channel our own individual experience in lovingkindness and interdependent connectedness. The Quaker-Friends have an insightful view of the "inner light" in individuals as part of their basis of silent worship. Pey Co Da@ Mark Rego Monteiro -- I would be the first to point out that my knowledge of science is very minuscule. However, because I have members in my family who are 'into science' more than into religion or spirituality, I keep my eyes open for information which affirms both scientific and spiritual principals. Without going into details, I have found the beginnings of this within the recent findings of quantum physics regarding consciousness and it's affects upon matter, and which question some of their previous scientific theories. It makes sense to me that when scientific and spiritual principals agree, there you will find Truth since God is the author/creator of both. And, when they disagree, one or the other has misinterpreted reality. In my post, I was stating my belief, not necessarily the beliefs within the scientific community. Their statement that the whole Universe is conscious helps to confirm, for me, my interpretation of God's reality. They may not yet have come to the same conclusion, but I am encouraged that they are getting closer. The more they discover regarding consciousness (i.e. its role in healing, etc.), the more we may all learn about God. Quantum physics is an interesting subject to explore if one is spiritually inclined and/or interested in the workings of consciousness. · Mark Re Monte Pe Coon Dae Sure, I know the kinds of things you´re talking about. Fritjof Capra, trained as a physicist, wrote The Tao of Physics way back in the 1970s. I guess overall, though, I ´d say, We need to learn how to channel our prevailing fascination with the way the physical world works a little more prudently, and for that Harry Harlow´s baby monkey studies showing how deprived monkeys suffer is probably the most relevant, for human spiritual and psychological choices now. From there, Freud´s insights were most importantly about the relieving feeling of healthy communication, that Jung saw through to the Hindu-derived Higher Self. Not just from there, but by valuing the reality of Jesus and his legacy of loving integrity in modern University-based society, we have to recognize that science is not God. Neither is the Universe, nor its beautiful interconnected features. Testimonies of healing, especially in Christianity, are neglected by most science fans, but have medical attestations that confirm their significance. They relate to philosophy´s insights of God as transcendental, the logically necessary Creator of the Universe, beyond spacetime, matter-energy, and part of all manner of spiritual traditions. United, now, in Jesus´ legacy of University-based culture. Another angle includes M Talbot´s Holographic Universe talks about physicist David Bohm and neurobiologist Karl Pribram´s interest in Holographic phenomena (a laser beam and photographic 3-D type mix) that has pretty amazing implications. But it´s also part of how matter and energy are connected. So, I see that their most amazing significance isn´t so much from the phenomena. It´s mostly important for how it justifies the value of spiritual practice in Jesus´ legacy of loving integrity. Jung´s direction in psychology building on Freud and more justifies some great testimonies in spiritual-religious healing. All that justifies the accomplishment of Christians historically and sociologically in getting us here with science just one branch of University-based empirical philosophy. This historical and sociological stuff is part of the philosophical, which has been treated strikingly "unscientifically" by extremist science fans. Many have made a mystique of "Science" that requires demystification. It supplements spiritual practice concerns, but doesn´t make the world´s human rights violations and sustainability crisis solutions any less clear. And so, we need to learn how to stop obsessing about the way the physical world works, and for that Harry Harlow´s baby monkey studies showing how deprived monkeys suffer is probably the most relevant, for human spiritual and psychological choices now.