Religion in Sociology, and On to the Transcendental, Eliade, etc and Healing

geor lin Po Hilar • 4 hours ago do you vote in elections? Do you get checkups at the doctor? Do you get vaccines? All those things are holding things in respect and devotion.

greenpeaceRdale1844coop geo lin • 22 minutes ago • edited That´s an interesting proposition and hypothesis. It seems to me that the merely rational calculation that check-ups and vaccine scheduling are good for public health has to be acknowledged. Certainly the addiction to pills and hypochondria, say for "depression," demonstrates that the merely rational is accompanied by the generating of "respect and deveotion." In seeking pills for psychological depression, "respect and devotion" then direct "rational thinking" errantly but acceptably exclusively to substitutes for larger and healthier rationale. Studying Buddhism, yoga, and tai chi, for example, and understanding the significance of Ralph Nader´s and Francis Moore Lappe´s kind of consumer advocacy against corporate-consumer ideology and abuse, not least of all. geo lin Pop Hils II • 3 hours ago This is the way a sociologist viewed things Durkheim then goes a step further. Religion is not only a social creation; it is the power of the community itself that is being worshiped. The power of the community over the individual so transcends individual existence that people collectively give it sacred significance. greenpeaceRdale1844coop geo lin • 34 minutes ago • edited Nice summing up. Still, that is lacking in clarity around the role of individual spiritual-religious experience in the emergence of the community´s assumption and sustaining of sacred material. Moses´ account of the burning bush even seems to have involved his sociologically transcendent status as the Hebrew product of Egyptian royal upbringing. That shifts to psychosocial and transpersonal psychological levels of explanation and analysis of phenomena. Jesus, too, clearly, whatever the actual circumstances of his "Virgin Birth," it appears to have involved visions and most of all, his adult life, mission, and message. There is an interaction, extending even to prophecies as in Isaiah. My own focus in seeking was in the meaning of psychosomatic healing and health, which is a powerful manner of corroborating Jesus´ meaning. Mircae Eliade and Rudolf Otto have some influential ideas about psychosocial spiritual experiential phenomena, that Karen Armstrong has sustained in her own way. geo link Pope HilII • 2 hours ago One shared throughout sociology and by me. I see it every day. The things society believes in are pushed to those who do not believe. Law has became a tool to force conformance. It is called majority rule. • greenpeaceRdale1844coop geo ler • 3 minutes ago • edited Yet, in America´s model of constitutional democracy, Civil Rights "freedoms" have been proposed that provide flexibility. Their logic stems from the likes of T Jefferson´s own regard for Jesus Christ as a "moral teacher" and the existence of a Creator. Modern trends show how profiteering businesspeople can exert power and influence to impose their ideology, as Kevin Kruse has detailed in his book about Rev Fifield and the National Manufacturers Assoc already by 1940, apparently. Thus, not "majority rule," but hoarders of cash, power, and influence in sly concocted cultural control and influence. "Free market economics/ Market fundamentalism" thus whipped people into their line, blurring lines, with fundie Christianity, anti-fundie anti-theists, liberal anti-funie secular materialist Christians, and secular anti-corporatists some of the players. geor ler • 17 hours ago Funny how replacing religion with religion is the way society works. There has never been a society that is not religious. Society simply worships itself and its own ideals. Government has always been the center of worship. › greenpeaceRdale1844coop geo lin • a few seconds ago You talk about Durkheim below. I´ve looked at the work of anthropologist Eliot Chapple whose behavioral analysis involves understanding at least the individuals in community. I think GH Meade drew on Chapple, and more recently E D´Áquili, C. Laughlin et al. A Wendt´s social constructivism built similarly on psychosocial social science and theory. You´ve got some links to insights, but need to anchor and identify the cause-effect process to distinguish bio-psychosocial processes from the mess that modern society makes possible. Dinstinguishing historical continuity and shifts in terms of symbols and their referents is part of that. You, like society more broadly exposed to exaggerated materialistic assumptions, has been denying non-materialistic phenomena, often aggressively. That´s possible and even allowed in post-Enlightenment secular democracy, but also runs into the boundaries of psychosocial mental health. Michael Harner took earlier scholarship as an anthropologist, got initiated into three tribes by actually healing psychoculturally in their idiom and with their people, apparently. He then created a Western technique. Besides that, Buddhist psychologist Jack Kornfield reports on the vast range of studies about the benefits of meditation, to which I would add prayer. That serves as an initial corroboration of the material-behavior roots of the non-material phenomena implied. Paradigms to extend material phenomena´s reach exist, like the Holographic Paradigm, although contemplative practice is another angle. Grounding all such evaluations in a phlosophical spectrum, we can clarify the First Cause/Higher Order/Emergentist issues. I´ve already scoped out a range of conceptual and empirical material, but the relational one is also key in relationship to all these kinds of parameters. Science has promoted objectifying nature and the Universe. Environmentalism has promoted attention to the human and nature interrelationship, and eco-psychology its mental health dimension. Spirituality and theism gets at the awareness to larger, broader, more interconnected interrelationships still as hinted at in basic studies about meditation, related to contemplative practice. Medically attested healings of spiritual-religious testimony, whether purely Christian or just minimally syncretized native practice as in Lewis Mehl-Medrona MD, PhD´s work.