Sunday, April 11, 2021

"Human Evil Isn´t Natural, Just Like Childhood Trauma" Hmm...

In response to a meme.
I´d say, "You´re almost there. The evil involved is naturally human, and has emerged diverting spiritual-religious innovations. That spiritual-religious tradition has spawned integrity activists (imperfect spiritual-religious humans) from Luther to George Fox and up to the present. George Fox´s legacy spawned a legacy that another kind of dissident sought to lead abolitionism in the UK. Not for profits and social movements in modern times began there, basically. The 1960s were a rich resurgence of integrity that has weaker ties to the spiritual-religious tradition, so that organizations like food co-ops, Oxfam, Greenpeace, and Ralph Nader´s legacy are seen as secular. The corporate exec profiteering agenda rebelled against FDR´s own spiritual-religiously strengthened legacy, linking with a conniving Rev Fifield and Cold War anti-communist propaganda. Spiritual-religious experience is underrated and undervalued. It is, however, the missing link to the stepped on shape of things, and galvanizing what groups like Oxfam and Greenpeace have accomplished so far. Both were co-founded by Quakers, BTW. Formerly Jewish Quakers in the case of Greenpeace, interestingly.... Meanwhile, Buddhism, yoga, tai chi, Jungian psychology and more have also spread. It´s a rich seed bed. In green power co-ops, started in Denmark in the 1970s and 80s, that have exploded throughout Germany, and spread throughout the EU, the US has one since 2007. Started by two 12 year olds and a mom, SUN co-op
Step Simp Mark Rego Monteiro I wouldnt call it (human evil) natural, anymore than Id call trauma natural...Most pathology comes from childhood trauma.. @Steph Sim I like to bias "natural" with goodness, myself. But that´s a loaded assumption. "Science," meanwhile, has limits, but is good for approaching philosophical objectivity. As empiricism, it goes further. "Naturally" is a key aspect. Mental health disciplinary views, a good basis for defining "evil" writ large, are the result of a special spiritual-religious tradition´s legacy of loving integrity. As "natural" goes, it is significantly less natural than traumatic behaviors, however. "Childhood trauma" leaves us with the "chicken-egg" fallacy (i.e. reptile ancestors laid eggs first, a la biology). A devil´s advocate question might be, "So, you think that in the transition to agricultural settlements, in which there were accumulation of resources and territorial formations, that violent behavior wasn´t "natural"?" After all, the Aztecs formalized human sacrifice rituals, and South American explorers Jean de Lery, Hans Staden, and Manuel da Nobrega all had vivid encounters with tribal cannibalism. That´s history and anthropology. Queen Nzinga of Angolan Ndongo was the daughter of a slave wife. Olaudah Equiano of Benin had a father who owned many slaves. Native Am Sacagawea had been enslaved by another tribe´s raid. Zhu Yuanzhang the Hongwu Emperor in China killed tens of thousands out of paranoia. The Maurya-Shunga-Kanva imperial changes reflected assassinations. There are bio-energetic explanations for it all, materialistically. De Lery, no less, encountered a famine driven cannibalistic experience in Europe at that time in the 1500s. In biology, moreover, R Wrangham et al have noted that our virtual ancestor cousin chimps kill neighboring chimps based on cognitive and social capacity. I believe Jane Goodall harbors that objective truth, sad only if viewed with preconceptions. They gain material resources. Naturally. And then spiritual-religious experience gained a powerful resource in human historical development with its psychosocial and cultural components. Thus, childhood trauma is one significant condition we know well, depending. But if you surgically isolate that from social, and environmental, cause and effect chains, its causation, your position misrepresents reality significantly in a form of reductionism. Having mental health counseling experience myself and more, I´ve identified an actual failure in University-based scholarship to adequately value trans-science disciplines and multidisciplinarity. Fritjof Capra´s work is a major contribution in that direction, and from a different angle, Karen Armstrong´s work is also noteworthy. "Liberal Arts" and "Social Science" themselves are disdained at large. In short, multidisciplinary studies, empiricism, constructionism, and philosophical epistemology are elements that combine into multidisciplinary empirical philosophy. With that empowering perspective, we can observe that adults have reponsibility for inflicting childhood trauma, and a very specific spiritual-religious tradition provided the tools and viewpoints to supersede those human bio-psychosocial tendencies. At the pivotal time of Jesus, the Greeks had climaxed when Alexander the Great assumed power as the result of violent intrafamilial homicides, leading to a sequence of events in which much vaunted ancient Greek philosophy remained ignored sufficiently to be reduced to libraries and odd geniuses. Augustus Octavian assassinated Caesar´s assassins and was emperor at Jesus´ birth, when the Roman Senate had assigned King Herod as "King of the Jews." Jesus´ teachings of loving Commandments for Moses and God´s parental love and accessory messages were followed by his execution at the hands of religious and political leaders, frightening his followers at that point. Jesus´ Resurrection three days later becomes noteworthy because of that. While Shamans can anthropologically be observed to have established important foundations and accessory traditions, as well and in humanity´s broader heritage, Jesus´ experience is the historical psychosocial and cultural operational feature in a mental health-oriented analysis of modern University-based scholarship. Child trauma normally is caused by harmful adult action, and adult therapeutic experience is possible, with an expanded range of modalities in this multidisciplinary framework. Mental health treatment is a modern constructionist perspective and noteworthy development in the legacy of loving integrity of a spiritual-religious tradition. Thus, as "natural" goes, it is significantly less natural than traumatic behaviors, however.

Did and Does the Bible Hurt Women?

The very book that belongs to all churches hurts and disrespects me as a woman. The book that pervades society at its very core has hurt women.
@Jen An Ly You need to be careful about how you are assigning responsibility and valuing knowledge. By "the book", you mean the Bible, and the book itself can´t hurt anyone. It is people interpreting it that may misuse it. That is an essential point, because it is Jesus Christ of Nazareth´s life, mission, and message that established 2 loving Commandments for Moses and God. It is Jesus´ legacy that made new levels of human relationship possible. As for the OT itself, its parts were at historical levels, and never out of proportion to other cultures at the time. The early OT involves harsh terms for all kinds of people, not just women, but again, all comparable to the Code of Hammurabi of Babylon. The prophets had a process unique in the world that focused on social justice, starting with Elijah for whom King Ahab and Queen Jezebel murdered a citizen subject to acquire his territory. It is that prophetic process for God through Abraham, Moses, and the other stretch of 40 plus prophets that made Jesus possible. Jesus taught those loving Commandments and profound accessory messages valuing women as in the adulteress account of sin and throwing the first stone. The path since then requires a little more study, because Jesus´ legacy made Universities possible and new levels of abuse of everybody, despite Civil Rights advances. While FDR addressed the rich and corporate exec irresponsibility that deserved to be criminalized and more with Eleanor up to the UN and human rights, it is very specifically a Rev Fifield who concocted a pro-rich "gospel" for rich execs that has led to the modern Religious Right.

Monday, April 5, 2021

Eternal Happiness for "Fools" and Gurus

It´s a funny skit. As for the issues, it gets at the nature of the non-seeker, or the misguided seeker still full of "the world." I have a situtation at a religious blog where a Dawkins or Hitchens type anti-theist very simplistically, and persistently, continues to push the same assertions. "You need evidence for God. No one has ever proved that God exists." I have to honor the type at one level, because they pushed me to the next level of spiritual awakening in the intellectual realm in recent years. There is a certain force in the mere use of "logic." "God is invisible, therefore he is a fairy-tale." That follows the orientation that science has been pursuing virtually since just before Newton as DesCartes invented modern mathematical notation. People tried to apply DesCartes´ approach to human affairs, and G Vico emerged as a secular, non-theistic respondent who pioneered constructionist ideas. That means perceiving that humans create their own artifacts, in complex ways. Terms like rationalism, logical positivism, and now scientism capture the problem of the science extremist side, also scientific materialism. Also, the Cartesian mind-body split is an iconic term that enters into matters. I´ve appreciated Karen Armstrong´s efforts along the way, with her articulation about the importance of spiritual practice and promotion of interfaith efforts. As a mixed blessing factor, her historical use of "mythos" to capture valid spiritual-religious experience as opposed to "logos" of rational thinking has had me doubting. Certainly, unempirical notions have been used in trying to innovate new religious experience, justifying the root term "myth-". Yet, that seems off-target, and carries the baggage of "myth" as fairy-tale. J Campbell used it too, I recall, and he stayed stuck in the non-transcendental and merely psychological. One key insight is to recognize the mystification of "science." "Seeing is believing" typifies the orientation, with Newton noticing an apple and looking at the moon, then studying the rate of fall of the apple. "Science," of course, is a modern popularized use by scientists themselves that extracts philosophy from it, and thus emphasizing the physical phenomena being mastered by virtual technicians. But, banalization is involved in that. Newton didn´t just "work it out." He thought about it, played around, and even thought about the concept of "action at a distance" in relation to his alchemical activities and those IDEAS. We don´t even need to talk about Newton´s understanding of an existing God to return to the term used for scientists until after the 1850s or so: "natural philosophers." Thus, Einstein´s insights were developed as he worked in a patent office, not a Collider or Atom Smasher facility. He had been philosophizing scientifically about light and its physics´ math by his Anno Mirabilis of some four groundbreaking papers. The scientific method is a philosophical method. It is empirical, and that too, can only mean empirical philosophy. Philosopher of Science M Pigliucci flipped, whether because of debating WL Craig or a series of events after that. He was anti-theist atheist, but became anti-scientism atheist, responding to physicist L Krauss who said, "Philosophy is a kind of science." M Pigl. commented, "He´s got it exactly backwards." Thus, we can start appreciating the philosophical value of questions like, "What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?" Science´s mystique is cracked, ultimately to its core. We can thus start delving into the relevance of scientific studies about the benefits of prayer and meditation, and other religious devotional practices. Scientific philosophy thus can richly supplement spiritual-religious knowledge, which of course is based on practice and the "spiritual-religious method." Well, that´s a philosophical statement. What else happens when philosophy meets spirituality and religion? lol

Sunday, April 4, 2021

Covid:19, Vico, Duterte and the Question of Theodicy (selection)

"....The god/s of order eventually won the struggle and there was therefore peace and order in the cosmos. This order, however, was not a permanent design, it has to be preserved, protected and defended from the incessant desire of chaos to pull down cosmos to destruction. There is no problem of theodicy in this religio-poltical arrangement. Evil has a place then in this archaic cosmogonic design, and it is there lurking but active, waiting to attack anytime chance is offered. The battle is ongoing and never ceased between benevolent and evil gods such as between Re and Apopis, or Horus and Seth, or between El and Baal, or Baal and Yamm, or between Vico Sotto and Rodrigo Duterte. That is the problem with monotheism. You have only one god inhabiting the cosmos, where, in order to maintain his omnipotence, which is a prominent theme in the books of Ezekiel and Second Isaiah, you have to attribute evil and good, chaos and order, to the same god, Yahweh. Where do you put, say, Vico and Duterte, evil and good, on this political theology then? The problem of Vico and Duterte, evil and good, was first problematized by the Book of Job written centuries after the intensification of monotheistic faith in 7th century. The problem monotheism has engendered was immediately felt, “Will you attribute both Vico and Duterte, evil and good, to the same deity, Yahweh?” Unlike Filipinos, the Israelites under Yehud, felt uncomfortable with that. Thus they started conceiving and “adversary” where evil and Duterte could be associated with. By the time of Jesus in the New Testament, the adversary gained complete identity as Satan, the god of evil and destruction. Monotheism was slightly broken to separate Vico and Duterte, one landed in the bosom of Abraham, and the other one to his father Satan, the killer and destroyer. The discontent with monotheism created consequently Satan as adversary to Yahweh, which is inspired by the unyielding cosmic battle between Horus and Seth, Baal and Yamm and many more of such pairing of benevolent and evil gods. In this arrangement, society is not expected to sit and ask why evil exist. But society, as part of the consubstantiality between nature, gods and humans, must remain vigilant every time Apopis, or the Leviathan, or the sea dragons emerge from its lair to wreak havoc in order to drag the cosmos into chaos. We are not expected to sit and wonder afterwards why evil happens. But in this eternal cosmic battle we need to identify who are the sons of Apopis, of Seth, of Yamm, of Satan and spurn and overcome them to keep order and peace intact. The rise of the kind of Vico Sotto and others is a stark demonstration that we have this cosmic duty to protect peace and order. Next time evil prospers, don’t look on God and ask her why she let this evil happened. Look inside us rather and ask, why did we conspire with evil by becoming obedient and silent?" Nestor Ravilas, March 19, 2020,

Borg and Crossan Ask About Jesus´ Crucifixion, "What Provoked the Authorities....?"

Borg and Crossan asking about the crucifixion and what provoked the authorities at the top of their domination systems at the time.
I think this is a second posting. Anyway, was the crucifixion of Jesus the will of God? Now that we can get so uppity and probing in modern society, we have to acknowledge why. We are in Jesus´ legacy of loving integrity that is part of the primary Christian achievement of monastic schools inspiring modern University-based society. Thus, science tells us that the lawful material world is our foundation. "Sin" and "temptation" is the play of biological evolutionary impulses in our environments. At the beginning, anthropology tells us that shamans emerged establishing some important kinds of spiritual relationships in some, many, if not all cases. Yet, post-neolithic settlements created new levels and layers of arrangements that led to Abraham and the chronology of prophets to Jesus. If prophecies could foresee Jesus´ appearance, Jesus´ legacy has empowered individuals in the direction of "free will" and the effective action of science- and empirically-related capabilities. Jesus was at a crucial turning point in human historical development. What might the options have been? If more crucial humans had been capable of opening to Jesus, then they wouldn´t have killed him. But, Jesus didn´t actually provoke the Romans, nor the religious leaders. Not really. In some terms. So, the homicidal desires of the crucifixion leaders is really what emerges. God´s will is love. Love includes the flow of material reality that forms the basis for higher consciousness. Jesus was specially prepared to lead to a new level of awareness in his teachings. Even botched by authoritarian trends in church doctrines, Christian civilization has globalized and spread in the UN community. God´s will was that Jesus appear in the world, teaching God´s love at a whole new level. People´s condition led to the crucifixion execution. God´s will then can be said to have led to the Resurrection. There it is. That´s what seems to be empirical reasoning.

Saturday, April 3, 2021

Religion in Sociology, and On to the Transcendental, Eliade, etc and Healing

geor lin Po Hilar • 4 hours ago do you vote in elections? Do you get checkups at the doctor? Do you get vaccines? All those things are holding things in respect and devotion.
greenpeaceRdale1844coop geo lin • 22 minutes ago • edited That´s an interesting proposition and hypothesis. It seems to me that the merely rational calculation that check-ups and vaccine scheduling are good for public health has to be acknowledged. Certainly the addiction to pills and hypochondria, say for "depression," demonstrates that the merely rational is accompanied by the generating of "respect and deveotion." In seeking pills for psychological depression, "respect and devotion" then direct "rational thinking" errantly but acceptably exclusively to substitutes for larger and healthier rationale. Studying Buddhism, yoga, and tai chi, for example, and understanding the significance of Ralph Nader´s and Francis Moore Lappe´s kind of consumer advocacy against corporate-consumer ideology and abuse, not least of all. geo lin Pop Hils II • 3 hours ago This is the way a sociologist viewed things Durkheim then goes a step further. Religion is not only a social creation; it is the power of the community itself that is being worshiped. The power of the community over the individual so transcends individual existence that people collectively give it sacred significance. greenpeaceRdale1844coop geo lin • 34 minutes ago • edited Nice summing up. Still, that is lacking in clarity around the role of individual spiritual-religious experience in the emergence of the community´s assumption and sustaining of sacred material. Moses´ account of the burning bush even seems to have involved his sociologically transcendent status as the Hebrew product of Egyptian royal upbringing. That shifts to psychosocial and transpersonal psychological levels of explanation and analysis of phenomena. Jesus, too, clearly, whatever the actual circumstances of his "Virgin Birth," it appears to have involved visions and most of all, his adult life, mission, and message. There is an interaction, extending even to prophecies as in Isaiah. My own focus in seeking was in the meaning of psychosomatic healing and health, which is a powerful manner of corroborating Jesus´ meaning. Mircae Eliade and Rudolf Otto have some influential ideas about psychosocial spiritual experiential phenomena, that Karen Armstrong has sustained in her own way. geo link Pope HilII • 2 hours ago One shared throughout sociology and by me. I see it every day. The things society believes in are pushed to those who do not believe. Law has became a tool to force conformance. It is called majority rule. • greenpeaceRdale1844coop geo ler • 3 minutes ago • edited Yet, in America´s model of constitutional democracy, Civil Rights "freedoms" have been proposed that provide flexibility. Their logic stems from the likes of T Jefferson´s own regard for Jesus Christ as a "moral teacher" and the existence of a Creator. Modern trends show how profiteering businesspeople can exert power and influence to impose their ideology, as Kevin Kruse has detailed in his book about Rev Fifield and the National Manufacturers Assoc already by 1940, apparently. Thus, not "majority rule," but hoarders of cash, power, and influence in sly concocted cultural control and influence. "Free market economics/ Market fundamentalism" thus whipped people into their line, blurring lines, with fundie Christianity, anti-fundie anti-theists, liberal anti-funie secular materialist Christians, and secular anti-corporatists some of the players. geor ler • 17 hours ago Funny how replacing religion with religion is the way society works. There has never been a society that is not religious. Society simply worships itself and its own ideals. Government has always been the center of worship. › greenpeaceRdale1844coop geo lin • a few seconds ago You talk about Durkheim below. I´ve looked at the work of anthropologist Eliot Chapple whose behavioral analysis involves understanding at least the individuals in community. I think GH Meade drew on Chapple, and more recently E D´Ćquili, C. Laughlin et al. A Wendt´s social constructivism built similarly on psychosocial social science and theory. You´ve got some links to insights, but need to anchor and identify the cause-effect process to distinguish bio-psychosocial processes from the mess that modern society makes possible. Dinstinguishing historical continuity and shifts in terms of symbols and their referents is part of that. You, like society more broadly exposed to exaggerated materialistic assumptions, has been denying non-materialistic phenomena, often aggressively. That´s possible and even allowed in post-Enlightenment secular democracy, but also runs into the boundaries of psychosocial mental health. Michael Harner took earlier scholarship as an anthropologist, got initiated into three tribes by actually healing psychoculturally in their idiom and with their people, apparently. He then created a Western technique. Besides that, Buddhist psychologist Jack Kornfield reports on the vast range of studies about the benefits of meditation, to which I would add prayer. That serves as an initial corroboration of the material-behavior roots of the non-material phenomena implied. Paradigms to extend material phenomena´s reach exist, like the Holographic Paradigm, although contemplative practice is another angle. Grounding all such evaluations in a phlosophical spectrum, we can clarify the First Cause/Higher Order/Emergentist issues. I´ve already scoped out a range of conceptual and empirical material, but the relational one is also key in relationship to all these kinds of parameters. Science has promoted objectifying nature and the Universe. Environmentalism has promoted attention to the human and nature interrelationship, and eco-psychology its mental health dimension. Spirituality and theism gets at the awareness to larger, broader, more interconnected interrelationships still as hinted at in basic studies about meditation, related to contemplative practice. Medically attested healings of spiritual-religious testimony, whether purely Christian or just minimally syncretized native practice as in Lewis Mehl-Medrona MD, PhD´s work.

"Christians Started Slavery, So They Can´t Take Credit for Ending It" Really?

Jam Patte Mark Rego Monteiro lolz. Giving white Christians credit for ending slavery. You don’t get to get credit for ending the horror (slavery in the western world) that you started in the first place! ·
Mark Rego Monteiro Jas Patte Hardly. Fruit isn´t just Fruit, apples aren´t oranges, and neither are wax apples or wax oranges the same and undifferentiated. So, you might feel good pigeonholing Christianity because it reinforces your prejudices, but what will you do when saying all fruit is the same, types and wax, and that proves as superficial as the hateful mindsets you want to oppose? "Leftist anti-profiteering commies like Obama!"? As is apparent, Reagan-era pro-rich, anti-social economic ideology has combined with Cold War anti-communist propaganda to sustain MAGA, and snuff a great character and man like Obama. Obama was a Christian, no less, who distanced himself from a radical Black Liberation Theology Christian minister. So, if you´ve heard of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, you would think that applies here. Like I said, it´s superficial, and actually not a valid fallacy in a few ways. Short and sweet, Christians didn´t invent slavery, nor prevent anybody else showing that intent. Secondly, Political "Christianity" that you basically mean as countries and ruling churches, is its own sociological phenomena, while individuals following Jesus´ integrity have had unprecedented ability to accomplish things in the creaky joints of University-based, post-Reformation, Enlightenment modernizing "political" Christianity. That is inherently linked to the meaning of Jesus´ life, mission, message, and legacy. Jesus´ legacy of loving integrity led pretty directly to University-based education, which, nutshell, gives us empirical philosophy so famous in its mommy science. Constantine gave Christianity political legitimacy, and Christianity´s momentum of loving community even for soldiers made it a tidal wave that Roman´s power brokers put on like, well, armor and weapons. By 350, Anthony of the Desert had fathered Christian monks in the direction of higher integrity. By the 380s, the monk St. Jerome and the Pope (!) protested the execution of the first heretic Priscillian at the Emperor´s order. Integrity vs hypocrisy and apostasy. "Fruit" isn´t just "fruit," it´s authentic apples, oranges, and nominal wax types. So, back to slavery, Western and otherwise, was both long established and universal, and European merchants, soldiers, and political types dipped Europe into the existing African institution with tribes and Muslims. No other tradition has had the conditions where high integrity Christian activist citizens organized to end Western slavery legally, because even in England, without full democracy in their monarchy, they were able to. They were led by a dissident Anglican "insider" and recent college grad T Clarkson and a group of high integrity Christian outsider Quaker-Friends. Meanwhile, the Muslims had no intent to stop slavery as the 1816 Bombardment of Algiers demonstrated. Not to mention China and India. So, better hit the books to clear the cobwebs and let the fresh air in. The next step is perceiving the necessity of citizen action to address the other deviant "wax fruit Christian"spawn that truly has strong novel elements, profiteering corporate executives. UK workingpeople already invented the social co-op biz in the 1840s, and Fair Trade was invented in the 1980s. Food co-ops represent that well enough.