Monday, April 12, 2021

Easter, Christianity, and "the gods": Did Humans Make the gods? If In Part, How Much?

Avatar greenpeaceRdale1844coop • 8 days ago Interesting enough, although "Easter as a pagan goddess is an 'unattainable' assertion" is a little embarrassing mistake. Actually, the guy missed the interesting fact that Easter eggs are apparently a Christian innovation, not pagan. Mesopotamian Christians are credited with it. Germans are credited with the bunny.
Avatar Bish@ greenpeaceRdale1844coop • 5 days ago nature created the eggs, well before any god even existed.. greenpeaceRdale1844coop Bis • 4 days ago • edited "before any god even existed" Your assumption there is scientific materialism, aka scientism. "Science" is a term, meanwhile, that artificially dissociates the practice from its philosophical nature by making it seem a technical matter. Whatever seems routine in "science" is part of scientific philosophy, the empirical study of physical reality. Thus, the History of " Science" reveals that Christians actually defied ancient Greek assumptions as part of their living in Christianity´s own new cultural forms based on Jesus´ legacy of loving integrity and an omnipotent God. Modern scientific and moral philosophy emerged with empirical methodologies as Christian tools, as did mechanicism and secularism. In evaluating the full range of knowledge, epistemology includes both knowledge domains and phenomena domains. Scientific laws, for example, represent human models of lawful regularities in phenomena. Within those realms, epistemology identifies how phenomena are interconnected, with physics leading to chemistry, which leads to biology, which leads to human psychology, anthropology, and so on. Those sequences involve systems and emergentism. All of the knowledge domain systems are part of philosophy´s epistemological coherence, including alternative methodologies like contemplation. In looking at physics, its explanations of Cosmology reveal a limit of scientific philosophy. Evidence suggests that spacetime and matter-energy had a beginning and that the Universe is not eternal in the past. Thus, the Universe´s beginning requires a cause of some kind, and one of a different Order of Explanation. That Cause of the Universe is outside this Universe´s spacetime, matter-energy, and so is timeless, spaceless, and immaterial. yet of tremendous power. Without time, the Cause showed agency because it was not a mechanical process "timed" to go off. "Agency" is a quality we know as humans because of human minds. The Causal Entity of the Universe has no physical brain, and so is an immaterial mind. That´s where "nature" comes from, and human developmental cultures that mixed perception of the God Entity, natural forces, and god-labels, from shamans to temple priests in settlements. Jesus played a key role in his tradition, and ancient Greek philosophy provided a major resource for Jesus´ legacy of loving integrity in God´s love. • Edit • Reply • Share › Avatar Bishadi greenpeaceRdale1844coop • 4 days ago You are typing on a computer because of materialism. No god enabled the computer. Just as you came from a single celled living system; sperm/egg. No god created you. Your parents did the wild thing. "Those sequences involve systems and emergentism" Evolving. Growing, developing.......................... Life grows, develops and is emergent. Jesus just confirmed that following the rules (commandments) was the best model until the unveiling. Which he did not complete. Love requires honesty. • Reply • Share › Avatar greenpeaceRdale1844coop Bishadi • 4 days ago "You are typing on a computer because of materialism. No god enabled the computer." You´re a little unclear about the difference between Homo habilis and Homo sapiens. Shamans are shown to have existed as early as 40,000 BCE, reflecting the psychosocial therapeutic role they play in a cognitively advanced primate advancing in symbolic tool use through language, right and left brain style. Shamanic relationship to the transcendental has especially shown healing abilities and undoubtedly, reconciling wisdom, extrapolating back from the likes of Cyrus the Great or FDR. Chimpanzees, incidentally, have been found to kill chimps from neighboring groups, given the sufficient advantages even at their level of sociality and cognition. Caine killing his brother Abel is a profound archetype and empirical psychosocial condition that afflicts human-type mammalian materialistic interaction. Greek society, for its brilliant grounding of scientific and moral philosophical culture, failed to adopt such culture more systematically and spiked and crashed illustratively in Alexander the Great. Ego reared its ugly head for the Greeks. And they splintered, and then were conquered by the Romans, who did the same. Except, as Julius Casesar became the pioneering tyrant with populist appeal, his more distant nephew or the like, Augustus Octavian, revenged Caesar´s assassination and was ruling when Jesus was born. Jesus´ life, mission, and message left 2 Commandments for Moses´ 10 and God and accessories that led to Jesus´ legacy of loving integrity. That legacy had monastic schools that Christians turned into Universities that were able to remake ancient Greek philosophy plus into modern science and other empirically informed philosophical disciplines. People unable to sustain mutually supportive social relations cannot sustain scientific and empirical culture. That´s where your distorted perception that neglects to acknowledge human psychosocial qualities, and spiritual-religious experience in Jesus´ legacy of loving integrity, is stuck. In fact, sustainability and human rights indicators show us empirically that modernity is on track to disasters. Hell in a handbasket, as they say. With secular extremist ideology nurturing feelings of anger diverted in confusion, mixed up rebellion, and selfish ambition in people, materialism is showing its true colors. God enabled the computer, primarily through Jesus, with touches of ancient Greek, Islamic, and other channels. As for natural biology, you clearly were unable to follow the logical reasoning I presented to you about biology´s place in things. Even with Jesus´ unprecedented legacy, human bio-psychosocial tendencies to indulgence clearly make human sexual behavior vulnerable to destabilizing tendencies. Gandhi gave up sex at 35 because it is a powerful distraction and requires psychosocial and spiritual discipline to maintain balance. Barack Obama has shown as much responsible balance as any admirable public figure, and more, while the crude figure of the sexual adventurer and profiteer tRump has dumped his soul in anti-social values. Jesus can be said to have potentialized key aspects of salvation, but his legacy of loving integrity has led to University-based society with modern empirical philosophy that can educate anyone and everyone for sustainability, spirituality, and human rights if promoted persistently. Indeed, love does require honesty. And diligent effort to pursue and achieve that honesty. • Edit • Reply • Share › Avatar Bishadi greenpeaceRdale1844coop • 4 days ago people created the computers. The engineers are not gods. • Reply • Share › Avatar greenpeaceRdale1844coop Bishadi • 3 days ago Yes. In the relevant frame of reference to computers and engineers, they can be described in material terms to a degree. "Gods" as you use it, is already retreating into refuting an egotistical notion. Engineers are not gods, and depend on a rich spiritual-religious context that informs their activity, in Jesus´ legacy of loving integrity in University-based society. • Edit • Reply • Share › Avatar Bishadi greenpeaceRdale1844coop • 3 days ago Your body is material. Writing is material. As i use it, gods are man-made (man created) entities. Engineers do not depend on "rich spiritual-religious context ". That claim is based on "an egotistical notion." ps... Jesus was not a god either! • Reply • Share › − Avatar greenpeaceRdale1844coop Bishadi • 3 days ago • edited Yes, two more material aspects for you! Many aspects of God the Creator and Providential Supplier are expressed in human beings. The original relationship to theism was through shamans, who are material. Yet, the appearance of the Loewenmensch in a cave from 40,000 years ago shows a figure that is not itself natural, a Lion-man. The healing in conjunction with shamans still occurs as it does in spiritual-religious contexts. One recent report concerned a fatal condition in an American who traveled down to South America for shamanic treatment that cured him. Engineers don´t exist because they were born yesterday. Your lens is inadequate, and virtually illiterate. No Isaac Newton, no engineers today. No Universities, no Isaac Newton. No monk Thomas of Aquinas, no Universities. No monk Bishop Raymond the Benedictine monk and his Toledo Translation School, no University science. No Jesus, no monks. My previous comments have already made related arguments. Your denial of engineers spiritual-religious context is denialism and potentially illiterate, simply in the context of this dialogue. Your simplistic attempt to throw back a description of you verges on ad hom, but you demonstrate yourself as not competent in the necessary literacy. Jesus certainly was a man. The question of his nature is more complex. Given that you have the freedom to question or deny, and even verbally negate his divinity is all part of the rich spiritual-religious context that now makes you not competent nor literate in such dialogue. While he taught spiritual practice involving seeking "the Kingdom of Heaven," he also referred back to the prophetic tradition that is his rich heritage, including Moses and all of the recorded testimonies that defy materialist notions. Materialism has observed in scientific philosophical study that chimps will organize, attack, and kill neighboring chimps. Greek culture that developed philosophy in ancient times was unable to sustain itself as the exploitation of any cultural strengths led to egotistical and wanton acts of violence that limited Greek development. Greek science itself receded to libraries that nurtured odd geniuses into Rome´s conquest of Greek areas. Aristotle´s own notions of a First Cause were rejected by him because he thought the Universe was eternal. Aristotle´s ideas were relegated to documents and neoplatonism. That, too, was repressed as Christianity became a foundational belief for the Eastern Emperor who suppressed surviving neoplatonic paganism. Jesus´ appearance is described in the New Testament as involving a number of spiritual-religious experiences, for both his parents and uncle/aunt parents of John the Baptist. Jesus´ message of loving Commandments for Moses and God defy materialistic limitations. He demonstrated healing and taught accessory principles of love, all in regard to seeking the Kingdom of Heaven and in relation to God´s love over judgment. Psychology has come to recognize the healing power of loving behavior, in Jesus´ legacy of loving integrity, from Freud to Piaget to Harlow, et al. Psychologists have also recognized the existence of a relationship to Higher Powers, including Jung´s synchronicity and Higher Self taken from Hinduism. Also in Jesus´ legacy, nevertheless. From the persistence of prayer and meditation related activities to the non-materialist activity of Christian spiritual-religious love as the driving force and logic behind the emergence of Universities transformed from Christian monastic schools to Universities, to the establishment of the United Nations based on human rights and revealing sustainability, the organizing principle of God´s love has defied human materialistic corruption. FDR´s efforts against the Stock Market crash corruption of the rich and then the power mad efforts of Hitler´s Nazis allied at first with Stalin´s Soviet Russia, and technologically powerful Tojo Japan itself represents how FDR defied the rich and selfish tendencies in the US. He credited Christian service values and announced the importance of religion, also refuting materialistic analyses. In terms of logic, scientific empirical philosophy is only part of momentous Christian University-based developments. Psychology, history, and so on have all emerged, presumably an obvious, but radical point in your virtual functional illiteracy. It was thus that Christians have been able to take Aristotle´s First Cause argument, along with Islamic scholarship, to reason philosophically where scientific philosophy fails. I described it above already, so here I´ll cite a rich metaphorical version. The existence of supermarkets doesn´t mean that farms are unnecessary. Material reality is not sufficient and logically requires a cause from a higher order of reality, all of which operates according to emergentism. As to Jesus´ defining himself as the Son of God and in other related ways, you have already demonstrated inadequate literacy for me to even indulge in more here. In your unwavering incomprehension, this is certainly more for others and myself than you. You can find the meaning of love, of course. Jesus is not the means by which I first began learning about the principle. Just the crucial pivot and more. • Edit • Reply • Share › Avatar Bishadi greenpeaceRdale1844coop • 3 days ago Yes, man created a whole bunch of aspects for the variety of gods. Mars, zeus, even a hairy kristna that is claimed to have 16,000 wives. With words mankind even created libraries. "As to Jesus´ defining himself as the Son of God and in other related ways, you have already demonstrated inadequate literacy for me to even indulge in more here." Each soul born is a child of mother nature (god itself). Since i have read the dialogue, i am well aware of many metaphor of the bible and many theologies. What is sad, is too many have been led to believe that mankind is not capable of learning, creating or even unconditional LOVE. But i know better! • Reply • Share › Avatar greenpeaceRdale1844coop Bishadi • 2 days ago "Yes, man created a whole bunch of aspects for the variety of gods." Modern psychology and comparative religion provide empirical tools that can provide highly precise analysis of the issues involved. Most people don´t, and few scholars get that precise. The basic issue goes deeper, as you try to approach with your statement below, " Each soul born is a child of mother nature (god itself)." Your comments thus reflect a level of disorganization in your perception, naturally enough. However, that is the benefit of acknowledging the University system and its organization of subject disciplines that situate the different subjects. Reality is multidisciplinary in its richness of phenomena, and the knowledge domains that form epistemology as well, with foundations in empirical philosophy. Your statement about being a "child of mother nature" captures the importance of nature as aspects of biology, environmentalism, and outdoor recreation, etc. Also as part of the creation with its own spiritual dynamics. "God itself," however, is yet another level, the absolute and ultimate that has gained its highest recognition in teachings related to love, the centerpiece of Jesus´ 2 Commandments for Moses and God. Protection and healing from disease are an important benefit, and recognizing the value of nature itself under threat another. The condition of humankind consists of the problem and the solution, related to the abuse of power through ignorance, greed, and hatred as the Buddha nicely phrased it. Jesus´ legacy of loving integrity in University-based society has ample expressions that encourage learning and creating. If you know better than any negative assumption, then you would benefit by knowing that numerous others also have known better, from Jesus to George Fox, John Locke, and more. • Edit • Reply • Share › Avatar Bishadi greenpeaceRdale1844coop • 16 hours ago Man created them religions even the words to describe the variety of psychosis. Man created the gods and even your spiritual dynamics of the most high. • Reply • Share › Avatar greenpeaceRdale1844coop Bishadi • 20 minutes ago • edited So, I misinterpreted in your statement, "Each soul born is a child of mother nature (god itself)" by my own semantic inclinations. You equate "mother nature" with "god itself." Your use of concepts is not paltry, but not directed by an intellectual discipline that acknowledges the larger scholarly community that has developed them and the University-based group that provides a strong basis for comparing and contrasting, developing empirical foundations, and understanding levels of explanation. "Psychosis" is a pathologized term referring to a psychological state. "States of consciousness" is a more standard term that adequately addresses spiritual-religious experience involving non-materialistic, non-natural, and supernatural/transcendental/transpersonal insights and perceptions. Your assertions are unempirical, nor do you show any awareness of the standards of empiricism. The biological anthropologist Eliot Chapple formulated a comprehensive behavioral psychosocial system that identifies the learning and conditioning involved in generating all the various cultural symbolic systems, including religions. At one level, that´s a major advance that helps ground a number of perceptions. The modern expression in English, "a cross to bear" reflects Jesus´ context of suffering before execution and Resurrection, and legacy, as a general kind of example. The Buddha taught lessons that include reference to the lotus flower and its scent. An Asian island tribe used leaves of a certain tree in certain rituals, such as rites of passage, because the tree provided vines for fishing nets as their primary male livelihood. "(Humans) created the gods" thus is subject to such analytical treatment, although that is a level not widely used. Alex Wendt´s social constructivism achieves a similar level of clarity as Chapple, more recently. Sociologist GH Meade actually drew directly on Chapple. Yet, as I have indicated already that you are unwilling or unable to acknowledge, philosophical analysis of levels of explanation makes clear what Aristotle original identified as causes. "Scientific laws" represent lawful regularities in physical phenomena. Those lawful regularities operate in classical mechanics, but emerge from Quantum atomic and subatomic phenomena as a primary level of emergentism, that applies continually as phenomena have been addressed by philosophical systems into academic disciplines. Just as "scientific laws" are human philosophical contructs, the phenomena they refer to are the invisible aspect of objects and their physical behavior. Tracing physical phenomena down to the quantum level with instrumentation, scientists have identified such phenomena as the Higgs boson and Higgs field, with one nickname the "God particle" because of its hypothesized, and apparently empirically-based, foundational character. Yet, empiricism itself is actually empirical philosophy, as science is scientific and empirical philosophy. Philosophical analysis of the levels of explanation continues by reflection, and can identify the origin of modern philosophy in Christians identifying ancient Greek limiting assumptions, like Aristotle´s view that objects don´t travel in curved motion, just straight lines. Christians identify God as the transcendent Creator and omnipotent, and in their scholarly religious networks had the confidence and clarity to recognize Aristotle´s error and correct it. For one, levels of explanation beyond biology lead to psychology, anthropology, and sociology, etc. All that involves emergent phenomena with new levels of analysis requiring new concepts and observing new processes. If founded on biology, new possibilities unlike biology have been observed. Force, wealth, speech, and sex can be abused and have been, whether in humans eating other humans in cannibalism, the capture of slaves for sex and wealth, and the use of lies for self-serving accusations and false convictions. The Code of Hammurabi, referring to transcendental aspects of God, is an early and well-known legal system from Babylon before 1,000 BC. Moses´ top 10 Commandments for Abraham and God emerged more or less contemporaneously. Moses´ spiritual-religious experience with a burning bush is well known. His descripion is ultimately limited in its quality of elevating Moses as leader. Jewish prophetic experience becomes recorded and confirms experiences by prophets who do not expect to be contacted by a transcendental God, and are reluctant not megalomaniacal. It is thus that coherence, continuity, and consistency form a larger emergent logic over historical development that fortifies the narrative component quality and compensates for its isolated nature. The Hammurabi Code, meanwhile, remained a purely archeological discovery, its name lost in the mists of time, whatever its lasting contributions. By contrast. Again, Aristotle´s First Cause argument provides a modern basis in WL Craig´s Cosmological Argument for God that situates materialistic science´s elements of knowledge in its philosophical framework of metaphysical cause. As one scholar has nicely observed in metaphor, "Just because we have supermarkets, it doesn´t mean we don´t need to experience or understand farms, agriculture, or gardens and ecology and biology.

Sunday, April 11, 2021

"Human Evil Isn´t Natural, Just Like Childhood Trauma" Hmm...

In response to a meme.
I´d say, "You´re almost there. The evil involved is naturally human, and has emerged diverting spiritual-religious innovations. That spiritual-religious tradition has spawned integrity activists (imperfect spiritual-religious humans) from Luther to George Fox and up to the present. George Fox´s legacy spawned a legacy that another kind of dissident sought to lead abolitionism in the UK. Not for profits and social movements in modern times began there, basically. The 1960s were a rich resurgence of integrity that has weaker ties to the spiritual-religious tradition, so that organizations like food co-ops, Oxfam, Greenpeace, and Ralph Nader´s legacy are seen as secular. The corporate exec profiteering agenda rebelled against FDR´s own spiritual-religiously strengthened legacy, linking with a conniving Rev Fifield and Cold War anti-communist propaganda. Spiritual-religious experience is underrated and undervalued. It is, however, the missing link to the stepped on shape of things, and galvanizing what groups like Oxfam and Greenpeace have accomplished so far. Both were co-founded by Quakers, BTW. Formerly Jewish Quakers in the case of Greenpeace, interestingly.... Meanwhile, Buddhism, yoga, tai chi, Jungian psychology and more have also spread. It´s a rich seed bed. In green power co-ops, started in Denmark in the 1970s and 80s, that have exploded throughout Germany, and spread throughout the EU, the US has one since 2007. Started by two 12 year olds and a mom, SUN co-op
Step Simp Mark Rego Monteiro I wouldnt call it (human evil) natural, anymore than Id call trauma natural...Most pathology comes from childhood trauma.. @Steph Sim I like to bias "natural" with goodness, myself. But that´s a loaded assumption. "Science," meanwhile, has limits, but is good for approaching philosophical objectivity. As empiricism, it goes further. "Naturally" is a key aspect. Mental health disciplinary views, a good basis for defining "evil" writ large, are the result of a special spiritual-religious tradition´s legacy of loving integrity. As "natural" goes, it is significantly less natural than traumatic behaviors, however. "Childhood trauma" leaves us with the "chicken-egg" fallacy (i.e. reptile ancestors laid eggs first, a la biology). A devil´s advocate question might be, "So, you think that in the transition to agricultural settlements, in which there were accumulation of resources and territorial formations, that violent behavior wasn´t "natural"?" After all, the Aztecs formalized human sacrifice rituals, and South American explorers Jean de Lery, Hans Staden, and Manuel da Nobrega all had vivid encounters with tribal cannibalism. That´s history and anthropology. Queen Nzinga of Angolan Ndongo was the daughter of a slave wife. Olaudah Equiano of Benin had a father who owned many slaves. Native Am Sacagawea had been enslaved by another tribe´s raid. Zhu Yuanzhang the Hongwu Emperor in China killed tens of thousands out of paranoia. The Maurya-Shunga-Kanva imperial changes reflected assassinations. There are bio-energetic explanations for it all, materialistically. De Lery, no less, encountered a famine driven cannibalistic experience in Europe at that time in the 1500s. In biology, moreover, R Wrangham et al have noted that our virtual ancestor cousin chimps kill neighboring chimps based on cognitive and social capacity. I believe Jane Goodall harbors that objective truth, sad only if viewed with preconceptions. They gain material resources. Naturally. And then spiritual-religious experience gained a powerful resource in human historical development with its psychosocial and cultural components. Thus, childhood trauma is one significant condition we know well, depending. But if you surgically isolate that from social, and environmental, cause and effect chains, its causation, your position misrepresents reality significantly in a form of reductionism. Having mental health counseling experience myself and more, I´ve identified an actual failure in University-based scholarship to adequately value trans-science disciplines and multidisciplinarity. Fritjof Capra´s work is a major contribution in that direction, and from a different angle, Karen Armstrong´s work is also noteworthy. "Liberal Arts" and "Social Science" themselves are disdained at large. In short, multidisciplinary studies, empiricism, constructionism, and philosophical epistemology are elements that combine into multidisciplinary empirical philosophy. With that empowering perspective, we can observe that adults have reponsibility for inflicting childhood trauma, and a very specific spiritual-religious tradition provided the tools and viewpoints to supersede those human bio-psychosocial tendencies. At the pivotal time of Jesus, the Greeks had climaxed when Alexander the Great assumed power as the result of violent intrafamilial homicides, leading to a sequence of events in which much vaunted ancient Greek philosophy remained ignored sufficiently to be reduced to libraries and odd geniuses. Augustus Octavian assassinated Caesar´s assassins and was emperor at Jesus´ birth, when the Roman Senate had assigned King Herod as "King of the Jews." Jesus´ teachings of loving Commandments for Moses and God´s parental love and accessory messages were followed by his execution at the hands of religious and political leaders, frightening his followers at that point. Jesus´ Resurrection three days later becomes noteworthy because of that. While Shamans can anthropologically be observed to have established important foundations and accessory traditions, as well and in humanity´s broader heritage, Jesus´ experience is the historical psychosocial and cultural operational feature in a mental health-oriented analysis of modern University-based scholarship. Child trauma normally is caused by harmful adult action, and adult therapeutic experience is possible, with an expanded range of modalities in this multidisciplinary framework. Mental health treatment is a modern constructionist perspective and noteworthy development in the legacy of loving integrity of a spiritual-religious tradition. Thus, as "natural" goes, it is significantly less natural than traumatic behaviors, however.

Did and Does the Bible Hurt Women?

The very book that belongs to all churches hurts and disrespects me as a woman. The book that pervades society at its very core has hurt women.
@Jen An Ly You need to be careful about how you are assigning responsibility and valuing knowledge. By "the book", you mean the Bible, and the book itself can´t hurt anyone. It is people interpreting it that may misuse it. That is an essential point, because it is Jesus Christ of Nazareth´s life, mission, and message that established 2 loving Commandments for Moses and God. It is Jesus´ legacy that made new levels of human relationship possible. As for the OT itself, its parts were at historical levels, and never out of proportion to other cultures at the time. The early OT involves harsh terms for all kinds of people, not just women, but again, all comparable to the Code of Hammurabi of Babylon. The prophets had a process unique in the world that focused on social justice, starting with Elijah for whom King Ahab and Queen Jezebel murdered a citizen subject to acquire his territory. It is that prophetic process for God through Abraham, Moses, and the other stretch of 40 plus prophets that made Jesus possible. Jesus taught those loving Commandments and profound accessory messages valuing women as in the adulteress account of sin and throwing the first stone. The path since then requires a little more study, because Jesus´ legacy made Universities possible and new levels of abuse of everybody, despite Civil Rights advances. While FDR addressed the rich and corporate exec irresponsibility that deserved to be criminalized and more with Eleanor up to the UN and human rights, it is very specifically a Rev Fifield who concocted a pro-rich "gospel" for rich execs that has led to the modern Religious Right.

Monday, April 5, 2021

Eternal Happiness for "Fools" and Gurus

It´s a funny skit. As for the issues, it gets at the nature of the non-seeker, or the misguided seeker still full of "the world." I have a situtation at a religious blog where a Dawkins or Hitchens type anti-theist very simplistically, and persistently, continues to push the same assertions. "You need evidence for God. No one has ever proved that God exists." I have to honor the type at one level, because they pushed me to the next level of spiritual awakening in the intellectual realm in recent years. There is a certain force in the mere use of "logic." "God is invisible, therefore he is a fairy-tale." That follows the orientation that science has been pursuing virtually since just before Newton as DesCartes invented modern mathematical notation. People tried to apply DesCartes´ approach to human affairs, and G Vico emerged as a secular, non-theistic respondent who pioneered constructionist ideas. That means perceiving that humans create their own artifacts, in complex ways. Terms like rationalism, logical positivism, and now scientism capture the problem of the science extremist side, also scientific materialism. Also, the Cartesian mind-body split is an iconic term that enters into matters. I´ve appreciated Karen Armstrong´s efforts along the way, with her articulation about the importance of spiritual practice and promotion of interfaith efforts. As a mixed blessing factor, her historical use of "mythos" to capture valid spiritual-religious experience as opposed to "logos" of rational thinking has had me doubting. Certainly, unempirical notions have been used in trying to innovate new religious experience, justifying the root term "myth-". Yet, that seems off-target, and carries the baggage of "myth" as fairy-tale. J Campbell used it too, I recall, and he stayed stuck in the non-transcendental and merely psychological. One key insight is to recognize the mystification of "science." "Seeing is believing" typifies the orientation, with Newton noticing an apple and looking at the moon, then studying the rate of fall of the apple. "Science," of course, is a modern popularized use by scientists themselves that extracts philosophy from it, and thus emphasizing the physical phenomena being mastered by virtual technicians. But, banalization is involved in that. Newton didn´t just "work it out." He thought about it, played around, and even thought about the concept of "action at a distance" in relation to his alchemical activities and those IDEAS. We don´t even need to talk about Newton´s understanding of an existing God to return to the term used for scientists until after the 1850s or so: "natural philosophers." Thus, Einstein´s insights were developed as he worked in a patent office, not a Collider or Atom Smasher facility. He had been philosophizing scientifically about light and its physics´ math by his Anno Mirabilis of some four groundbreaking papers. The scientific method is a philosophical method. It is empirical, and that too, can only mean empirical philosophy. Philosopher of Science M Pigliucci flipped, whether because of debating WL Craig or a series of events after that. He was anti-theist atheist, but became anti-scientism atheist, responding to physicist L Krauss who said, "Philosophy is a kind of science." M Pigl. commented, "He´s got it exactly backwards." Thus, we can start appreciating the philosophical value of questions like, "What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?" Science´s mystique is cracked, ultimately to its core. We can thus start delving into the relevance of scientific studies about the benefits of prayer and meditation, and other religious devotional practices. Scientific philosophy thus can richly supplement spiritual-religious knowledge, which of course is based on practice and the "spiritual-religious method." Well, that´s a philosophical statement. What else happens when philosophy meets spirituality and religion? lol

Sunday, April 4, 2021

Covid:19, Vico, Duterte and the Question of Theodicy (selection)

"....The god/s of order eventually won the struggle and there was therefore peace and order in the cosmos. This order, however, was not a permanent design, it has to be preserved, protected and defended from the incessant desire of chaos to pull down cosmos to destruction. There is no problem of theodicy in this religio-poltical arrangement. Evil has a place then in this archaic cosmogonic design, and it is there lurking but active, waiting to attack anytime chance is offered. The battle is ongoing and never ceased between benevolent and evil gods such as between Re and Apopis, or Horus and Seth, or between El and Baal, or Baal and Yamm, or between Vico Sotto and Rodrigo Duterte. That is the problem with monotheism. You have only one god inhabiting the cosmos, where, in order to maintain his omnipotence, which is a prominent theme in the books of Ezekiel and Second Isaiah, you have to attribute evil and good, chaos and order, to the same god, Yahweh. Where do you put, say, Vico and Duterte, evil and good, on this political theology then? The problem of Vico and Duterte, evil and good, was first problematized by the Book of Job written centuries after the intensification of monotheistic faith in 7th century. The problem monotheism has engendered was immediately felt, “Will you attribute both Vico and Duterte, evil and good, to the same deity, Yahweh?” Unlike Filipinos, the Israelites under Yehud, felt uncomfortable with that. Thus they started conceiving and “adversary” where evil and Duterte could be associated with. By the time of Jesus in the New Testament, the adversary gained complete identity as Satan, the god of evil and destruction. Monotheism was slightly broken to separate Vico and Duterte, one landed in the bosom of Abraham, and the other one to his father Satan, the killer and destroyer. The discontent with monotheism created consequently Satan as adversary to Yahweh, which is inspired by the unyielding cosmic battle between Horus and Seth, Baal and Yamm and many more of such pairing of benevolent and evil gods. In this arrangement, society is not expected to sit and ask why evil exist. But society, as part of the consubstantiality between nature, gods and humans, must remain vigilant every time Apopis, or the Leviathan, or the sea dragons emerge from its lair to wreak havoc in order to drag the cosmos into chaos. We are not expected to sit and wonder afterwards why evil happens. But in this eternal cosmic battle we need to identify who are the sons of Apopis, of Seth, of Yamm, of Satan and spurn and overcome them to keep order and peace intact. The rise of the kind of Vico Sotto and others is a stark demonstration that we have this cosmic duty to protect peace and order. Next time evil prospers, don’t look on God and ask her why she let this evil happened. Look inside us rather and ask, why did we conspire with evil by becoming obedient and silent?" Nestor Ravilas, March 19, 2020,

Borg and Crossan Ask About Jesus´ Crucifixion, "What Provoked the Authorities....?"

Borg and Crossan asking about the crucifixion and what provoked the authorities at the top of their domination systems at the time.
I think this is a second posting. Anyway, was the crucifixion of Jesus the will of God? Now that we can get so uppity and probing in modern society, we have to acknowledge why. We are in Jesus´ legacy of loving integrity that is part of the primary Christian achievement of monastic schools inspiring modern University-based society. Thus, science tells us that the lawful material world is our foundation. "Sin" and "temptation" is the play of biological evolutionary impulses in our environments. At the beginning, anthropology tells us that shamans emerged establishing some important kinds of spiritual relationships in some, many, if not all cases. Yet, post-neolithic settlements created new levels and layers of arrangements that led to Abraham and the chronology of prophets to Jesus. If prophecies could foresee Jesus´ appearance, Jesus´ legacy has empowered individuals in the direction of "free will" and the effective action of science- and empirically-related capabilities. Jesus was at a crucial turning point in human historical development. What might the options have been? If more crucial humans had been capable of opening to Jesus, then they wouldn´t have killed him. But, Jesus didn´t actually provoke the Romans, nor the religious leaders. Not really. In some terms. So, the homicidal desires of the crucifixion leaders is really what emerges. God´s will is love. Love includes the flow of material reality that forms the basis for higher consciousness. Jesus was specially prepared to lead to a new level of awareness in his teachings. Even botched by authoritarian trends in church doctrines, Christian civilization has globalized and spread in the UN community. God´s will was that Jesus appear in the world, teaching God´s love at a whole new level. People´s condition led to the crucifixion execution. God´s will then can be said to have led to the Resurrection. There it is. That´s what seems to be empirical reasoning.

Saturday, April 3, 2021

Religion in Sociology, and On to the Transcendental, Eliade, etc and Healing

geor lin Po Hilar • 4 hours ago do you vote in elections? Do you get checkups at the doctor? Do you get vaccines? All those things are holding things in respect and devotion.
greenpeaceRdale1844coop geo lin • 22 minutes ago • edited That´s an interesting proposition and hypothesis. It seems to me that the merely rational calculation that check-ups and vaccine scheduling are good for public health has to be acknowledged. Certainly the addiction to pills and hypochondria, say for "depression," demonstrates that the merely rational is accompanied by the generating of "respect and deveotion." In seeking pills for psychological depression, "respect and devotion" then direct "rational thinking" errantly but acceptably exclusively to substitutes for larger and healthier rationale. Studying Buddhism, yoga, and tai chi, for example, and understanding the significance of Ralph Nader´s and Francis Moore Lappe´s kind of consumer advocacy against corporate-consumer ideology and abuse, not least of all. geo lin Pop Hils II • 3 hours ago This is the way a sociologist viewed things Durkheim then goes a step further. Religion is not only a social creation; it is the power of the community itself that is being worshiped. The power of the community over the individual so transcends individual existence that people collectively give it sacred significance. greenpeaceRdale1844coop geo lin • 34 minutes ago • edited Nice summing up. Still, that is lacking in clarity around the role of individual spiritual-religious experience in the emergence of the community´s assumption and sustaining of sacred material. Moses´ account of the burning bush even seems to have involved his sociologically transcendent status as the Hebrew product of Egyptian royal upbringing. That shifts to psychosocial and transpersonal psychological levels of explanation and analysis of phenomena. Jesus, too, clearly, whatever the actual circumstances of his "Virgin Birth," it appears to have involved visions and most of all, his adult life, mission, and message. There is an interaction, extending even to prophecies as in Isaiah. My own focus in seeking was in the meaning of psychosomatic healing and health, which is a powerful manner of corroborating Jesus´ meaning. Mircae Eliade and Rudolf Otto have some influential ideas about psychosocial spiritual experiential phenomena, that Karen Armstrong has sustained in her own way. geo link Pope HilII • 2 hours ago One shared throughout sociology and by me. I see it every day. The things society believes in are pushed to those who do not believe. Law has became a tool to force conformance. It is called majority rule. • greenpeaceRdale1844coop geo ler • 3 minutes ago • edited Yet, in America´s model of constitutional democracy, Civil Rights "freedoms" have been proposed that provide flexibility. Their logic stems from the likes of T Jefferson´s own regard for Jesus Christ as a "moral teacher" and the existence of a Creator. Modern trends show how profiteering businesspeople can exert power and influence to impose their ideology, as Kevin Kruse has detailed in his book about Rev Fifield and the National Manufacturers Assoc already by 1940, apparently. Thus, not "majority rule," but hoarders of cash, power, and influence in sly concocted cultural control and influence. "Free market economics/ Market fundamentalism" thus whipped people into their line, blurring lines, with fundie Christianity, anti-fundie anti-theists, liberal anti-funie secular materialist Christians, and secular anti-corporatists some of the players. geor ler • 17 hours ago Funny how replacing religion with religion is the way society works. There has never been a society that is not religious. Society simply worships itself and its own ideals. Government has always been the center of worship. › greenpeaceRdale1844coop geo lin • a few seconds ago You talk about Durkheim below. I´ve looked at the work of anthropologist Eliot Chapple whose behavioral analysis involves understanding at least the individuals in community. I think GH Meade drew on Chapple, and more recently E D´Ćquili, C. Laughlin et al. A Wendt´s social constructivism built similarly on psychosocial social science and theory. You´ve got some links to insights, but need to anchor and identify the cause-effect process to distinguish bio-psychosocial processes from the mess that modern society makes possible. Dinstinguishing historical continuity and shifts in terms of symbols and their referents is part of that. You, like society more broadly exposed to exaggerated materialistic assumptions, has been denying non-materialistic phenomena, often aggressively. That´s possible and even allowed in post-Enlightenment secular democracy, but also runs into the boundaries of psychosocial mental health. Michael Harner took earlier scholarship as an anthropologist, got initiated into three tribes by actually healing psychoculturally in their idiom and with their people, apparently. He then created a Western technique. Besides that, Buddhist psychologist Jack Kornfield reports on the vast range of studies about the benefits of meditation, to which I would add prayer. That serves as an initial corroboration of the material-behavior roots of the non-material phenomena implied. Paradigms to extend material phenomena´s reach exist, like the Holographic Paradigm, although contemplative practice is another angle. Grounding all such evaluations in a phlosophical spectrum, we can clarify the First Cause/Higher Order/Emergentist issues. I´ve already scoped out a range of conceptual and empirical material, but the relational one is also key in relationship to all these kinds of parameters. Science has promoted objectifying nature and the Universe. Environmentalism has promoted attention to the human and nature interrelationship, and eco-psychology its mental health dimension. Spirituality and theism gets at the awareness to larger, broader, more interconnected interrelationships still as hinted at in basic studies about meditation, related to contemplative practice. Medically attested healings of spiritual-religious testimony, whether purely Christian or just minimally syncretized native practice as in Lewis Mehl-Medrona MD, PhD´s work.